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FromAndrei
ToMe
Subjectfeedback & suggestion (browser speed test)
Date12 February 2005 15:16
I was very glad to see that your testing confirmed all my observations  
(biases).

I was, however, a bit disappointed to see that you have not tried Avant  
browser (avantbrowser.com). I searched your previouse questions, but Avant  
is only mentioned in one of Gale Andrews (GAndrews.html) questions.

Essentially, Avant is a pseudo browser similar to Maxon and others sitting  
on top of IE and using IE but adding a number of improvements, such as ad  
blocking with * in the path, tabbed browsing, flash blocking, etc.

I would be very curious (assuming that you kept the setup) to see how the  
browsers fare.
-- 
Cheers,
Andrei
FromMe
ToAndrei
SubjectRe: feedback & suggestion (browser speed test)
Date14 February 2005 9:36
Because Avant is just Internet Explorer with a fancy skin, it does not
include its own rendering engine, it just uses whatever is already
installed on the system. So for Avant, like Maxathon, the performance
should approximate to the Internet Explorer performance for whatever
version of Internet Explorer is installed on the computer. The tabbed
browsing may mean a slight increase in script performance (popups may be
faster), but this difference will not be very significant. The same goes
for any other Internet Explorer clones. 

If I had included this as a separate browser, I would also have felt
obliged to include all the other clones of this and Mozilla - and there are
far too many of them.


Mark 'Tarquin' Wilton-Jones - author of http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/
FromAndrei
ToMe
SubjectRe: feedback & suggestion (browser speed test)
Date14 February 2005 13:25
I respect your decision not to test them. However, I would like to bring to
your attention the following arguments for testing them:

1. You could test first just the IE clones. They are Windows only and there
aren't really that many of them (at least, I only know these 2). I would
expect a slow-down in performance for something that sits on top of IE, but
that remains to be seen. Furthermore, it can be argued that Avant & Maxathon
are more different than IE (even though they sit on top of it) than the
Mozilla clones.

2. I understand that the Mozilla clones may be too many, and their
supporters very vocal, however, you could use an objective criterion for
inclusion, such as number of downloads greater than x, where x is whatever
fancies you.

3. Your claim of testing all the browsers would be far more impactful, once
you include the periphery. 

I am also very pleased to see my experience confirmed: I've been using Opera
since version 5.x, and have always been extremely satisfied with it. The
only problem is that sometimes, when I have multiple tabs open, it starts to
slow down and expand the virtual memory for no apparent reason. The disk
keeps on churning, almost bringing the system to a halt.

Cheers,

Andrei
FromMe
ToAndrei
SubjectRe: feedback & suggestion (browser speed test)
Date15 February 2005 8:26
> 1. You could test first just the IE clones. They are Windows only and there
> aren't really that many of them (at least, I only know these 2).

http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/javascript/dhtml
And my records are out of date ... (neither Maxathon or Avant are listed,
for example - I will change that once my FTP access resumes)

Besides, I would say that AOL is far more popular than either of these, and
it also uses IE. I do not have access to AOL at all (and I wouldn't touch
it, even if I did have access).

The other problem is that they will also rely on the underlying IE, so it
would make a big difference whether IE 6 or IE 5 was installed underneath,
and for a complete test I would need to test with both of these installed
(which I cannot do).

OK, to be fair (since I did test epiphany), I will test these two - not
because I want to though. But it will allow people to determine what their
alternative skin will perform like.

> 2. I understand that the Mozilla clones may be too many

yup:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/javascript/dhtml

> you could use an objective criterion for inclusion

Nope. I will simply not include any more. I have included a couple of
clones (Mozilla, Firefox, Chamino, K-Meleon), and an interface skin
(Epiphany). People who use others can base their time on those. The
criterion for inclusion was: either an official distribution from the
vendor, or the default browser of a DTE. The only reason I included
K-Meleon was because people were telling me it was faster and I wanted to
shut them up ;)

> 3. Your claim of testing all the browsers would be far more impactful,
> once you include the periphery.

I do not claim to have tested all browsers, or even anything like it. I
test all the main ones, and allow people to draw their own conclusions for
any varient they are using.

> I've been using Opera since version 5.x

Same here. My preferred browser.

> The only problem is that sometimes, when I have multiple tabs open,
> it starts to slow down and expand the virtual memory for no apparent
> reason. The disk keeps on churning, almost bringing the system to a halt.

Never seen that happen. My disk starts chugging a bit as a Java applet
starts, but that's about it. Asked anyone on the forums about it?
http://my.opera.com/forums/
FromAndrei
ToMe
SubjectRe: feedback & suggestion (browser speed test)
Date19 February 2005 01:04
I looked at the new tests. Thanx for including Avant as well. Alas, now that
the w/e is here and my burning curiosity has been satisfied, I can go party!

As for Opera, either I'm spywared or I simply need to add more memory.

I'll drink a Guiness 4 ya!
:)

Cheers,
 
Andrei
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