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FromPaul L. Allen
ToMe
SubjectIE "Web Page Complete" problem
Date30 January 2008 10:59
Hi
IE 7's "Web Page Complete" is even more broken than your tutorial suggests.
I can't pin down the cause exactly since I don't use IE by preference
and when I am forced by circumstances to use it and want to save a web
page I'm not in a position to investigate (don't ask, it's a long
story).  However, I can give you an example of a page that fails on IE -
it's one of yours: <URL:
http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/tutorials/html/combinedpage >.
When I try to save it as a web page complete (I hate MHTML) the save
process hangs.  The cancel button doesn't work.  The browser window
can't be minimized.  It just sits there for several minutes until
something, somewhere times out.
Not a biggy, just something you might want to mention on your tutorial
page as yet another example of IE brokenness.
--
Paul
FromMe
ToPaul L. Allen
SubjectRe: IE "Web Page Complete" problem
Date30 January 2008 11:53
Paul,

> However, I can give you an example of a page that fails on IE -
> it's one of yours:

That sounds a lot like this point:
"It fails to use relative imported URLs correctly in stylesheets so the
relative resource cannot be located (and it causes IE to abort saving)."
Except I deliberately avoided that bug to allow IE users to save pages.

I cannot reproduce the problem here in IE 7.

The only other time I have seen IE act like that is when it is saving to a
network drive and the network authentication is slow, but if that's not the
case for you, then I am afraid I have no idea what the cause is.

I can only suggest you use a browser that does not have these problems.
Opera handles that page perfectly.


Mark 'Tarquin' Wilton-Jones - author of http://www.howtocreate.co.uk/
FromPaul L. Allen
ToMe
SubjectRe: IE "Web Page Complete" problem
Date30 January 2008 13:09
Hi Tarquin

>> However, I can give you an example of a page that fails on IE -
>> it's one of yours:
>
> That sounds a lot like this point:
> "It fails to use relative imported URLs correctly in stylesheets so the
> relative resource cannot be located (and it causes IE to abort saving)."

It does indeed.  It's obviously timing out on something and that sounds
like the sort of thing that would cause it (or any other relative
resource it mishandles).

> Except I deliberately avoided that bug to allow IE users to save pages.

I just tried it again to verify that I'd not lost my mind.  This time
it worked.  But I assure you that last time it hung and I cut-and-pasted
the URL from the failing page.
One thing that occurs to me is that Javascript effects can cause
problems.  Look at enough of the Quirksmode site with early versions
of Konqueror and it crashes (process terminates).  After looking at
your pages and a few others Google is failing to search when I press
return and I have to click the button.  Strange things happen when
people play with the DOM...

> I cannot reproduce the problem here in IE 7.

I can't reproduce it here, now.  I just checked with a page that was
giving me trouble last week and it saved OK too.  It's a heisenbug. :(

> The only other time I have seen IE act like that is when it is saving
> to a network drive and the network authentication is slow, but if
> that's not the case for you,

Nope.  Not that.

> then I am afraid I have no idea what the cause is.

Me neither.  And I'm not in a situation where I can investigate (no
tcpdump).

> I can only suggest you use a browser that does not have these problems. 

Good idea.  However, this isn't my computer.  I'm not allowed to install
software on it.  The people who work here aren't allowed to install
software on it.  Only the IT department is permitted to do anything
like that.

> Opera handles that page perfectly.

I'm not using Microsoft products through choice.  If I had a choice I
wouldn't be using Windoze at all, let alone IE.
--
Paul
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